2003 PILOT - DTC Troubleshooting: P0505 (14)

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2003 PILOT - DTC Troubleshooting: P0505 (14)DTC P0505: Idle Control System MalfunctionNOTE: If DTC P1519 is stored at same time as DTC P0505, troubleshoot DTC P1519 first, then recheck for DTC P0505.1.Start the engine. Hold the engine at 3,000 rpm with no load (in Park or neutral) until the radiator fan comes on.2.Check the engine speed at idle with no-load conditions: headlights, blower fan, rear window defogger, radiator fan, and air conditioner off.Is the engine running at 730 /-50 rpm?YES - Intermittent failure, system is OK at this time. NO - If the idle speed is less than 680 rpm, go to step 3; if it's 780 rpm or higher, go to step 4.3.Disconnect the idle air control (IAC) valve 3P connector.Does the engine speed increase or fluctuate?YES - Adjust the idle speed. If the idle will not adjust properly, clean the passage in the throttle body, and thenadjust the idle. NO - Replace the IAC valve. 4.Turn the ignition switch OFF.5.Remove the intake air duct from the throttle body.6.Start the engine and let it idle.7.Put your finger on the lower port (A) in the throttle body.Does the engine speed drop below 780 rpm?YES - Adjust the idle speed. If the idle will not adjust properly, replace the IAC valve, and then adjust the idle. NO - With the throttle valve completely closed, check for vacuum leaks, and repair as necessary.

Service BulletinApplies To:04-0072001–02 Odyssey – ALL2003 Odyssey – From VIN 5FNRL1.3B000001 thru 5FNRL1.3B1599532003 Odyssey – From VIN 2HKRL1.3H500001 thru 2HKRL1.3H5143542003 Pilot – From VIN 2HKYF1.3H500001 thru 2HKYF1.3H520648August 20, 2008Idle Fluctuation and/or the MIL Is On With DTC P1129 and/or P0505(Supersedes 04-007, Idle Fluctuation With DTC P1129, dated February 6, 2004, to update the informationmarked by the black bars)SYMPTOMThe idle fluctuates, and/or the MIL is on with DTCP1129 (high manifold absolute pressure [MAP] sensorsignal) and/or P0505 (faulty IAC valve).PROBABLE CAUSEThe idle air control (IAC) valve sticks open, the powersteering pressure switch wire is broken, or both.WARRANTY CLAIM INFORMATIONIn warranty: The normal warranty applies.OP#Description123503Check for DTCs.0.3121187Replace the IAC valve.0.7125030Repair the power steering pressureswitch wire.0.4Failed Part:P/N 16022-P8A-A02H/C 5612890Defect Code:03001Symptom Code:03203Skill Level:Repair TechnicianCORRECTIVE ACTIONReplace the IAC valve, repair the power steeringpressure switch wire, or do both.TOOL INFORMATIONFRTOut of warranty: Any repair performed after warrantyexpiration may be eligible for goodwill consideration bythe District Parts and Service Manager or your ZoneOffice. You must request consideration, and get adecision, before starting work.Pin Tool Set, T/N 07JAZ-002000ACrimper Tool, T/N 07NGZ-001010AHeat Gun, T/N 07NGZ-001020AREQUIRED MATERIALSDIAGNOSISHarness tape (black electrical tape)1. Start the engine, and let it idle until it warms up.PARTS INFORMATIONIAC Valve Set: P/N 16022-P8A-A03, H/C 7542046Repair Wire, Pigtail Lead w/Terminal: (repairs 5vehicles)P/N 04320-SP0-A00, H/C 4023503Does the idle fluctuate, or is there a customercomplaint of an intermittent idle fluctuation?Yes - Odyssey: Go to REPAIR PROCEDURE A.Pilot: Go to REPAIR PROCEDURE B.No - Go to step 2.Joint Splice Connector w/Sealent: (repairs 12 vehicles)P/N 04323-SP0-A01, H/C 45158962. Connect the HDS to the vehicle’s DLC, and checkfor DTCs.Is DTC P1129 or P0505 stored?Yes - Go to REPAIR PROCEDURE B.No - Continue with normal troubleshooting.REPAIR PROCEDURE A1. Connect the HDS to the vehicle’s DLC.2. Start the engine, and turn on the HDS.3. When prompted, enter the VIN and the odometerreading. 2008 American Honda Motor Co., Inc. – All Rights ReservedATB 26739-37037 (0808)1 of 4CUSTOMER INFORMATION: The information in this bulletin is intended for use only by skilled technicians who have the proper tools, equipment,and training to correctly and safely maintain your vehicle. These procedures should not be attempted by “do-it-yourselfers,” and you should not assumethis bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle has the condition described. To determine whether this information applies, contact anauthorized Honda automobile dealer.

4. From the System Selection Menu screen, selectPGM-FI.5. From the Mode Menu, select DATA LIST.6. Scroll down the list to PSP SWITCH. Watch thereading in the Value column.10. Lower the vehicle, and pull the harness up foreasier access to make the repair.HARNESS(Pulled up from belowfor better access.)REMOVED CONNECTOR7. Check for a broken power steering pressure switchwire by wiggling the P/S pressure switch wireharness at the switch while you check the Valuecolumn reading. If the reading changes between on and off whenyou wiggle the harness, go to step 8. If the reading does not change between on andoff when you wiggle the harness, go to REPAIRPROCEDURE B.8. Raise the vehicle on a lift, and remove the rightfront wheel to access the power steering pressureswitch.9. Disconnect the connector from the switch, andrelease the harness clip from the body.NOTE: You may need to disconnect the SecondaryHO2S connector to free the end of the harnessfrom the body.HARNESS CLIPLOCATIONRIGHT FRONTWHEEL WELL11. Remove the rubber seal from the connector, andremove the terminals from the connector noting theGRN wire and BLK wire locations.12. Remove the tape from the corrugated tube and thewires up to the harness clip; mark the wires at theend of the corrugated tube.CORRUGATED TUBEHARNESS CLIPSTEERINGRACK BOOT2 of 4Mark the wires.POWER STEERINGPRESSURE SWITCH04-007

13. Remove the corrugated tube from the wires, thencut the wires 10 mm from the mark you made instep 12.16. Strip 6 mm of insulation from both wire ends, thenuse a crimper tool to install a joint splice connectoron each wire end.JOINT SPLICE CONNECTORSRemove corrugated tube.Cut both wires here.10 mmCRIMPER TOOL14. Cut two new wires from the kit 80 mm from theterminal ends.RUBBER SEAL6 mm17. Strip 6 mm of insulation from the vehicle’s GRNand BLK wires, insert them into the joint spliceconnectors on the yellow wires, and make sure theGRN and the BLK wires go to the correct terminalsin the connector. Crimp the connectors and, ifneeded, reverse the terminals in the connector.BLACK WIREGREEN WIRE80 mm15. Push the terminal ends of the new wires into theexisting connector, and install the connector’srubber seal.SPLICECONNECTORSGRNBLK04-0073 of 4

18. Use a heat gun with a nozzle attachment to shrinkthe joint splice insulation tubing and set theinsulation sealant. Be careful not to damage thecorrugated tube or other parts with the heat gun.HEAT GUN19. Insert the wires and joint splices into the corrugatedtube, and wrap the tube with electrical tape.20. Raise the vehicle, route the harness into its originalposition, and reattach the harness clip to the body.HARNESS CLIP21. Install all removed connectors. Check the pressureswitch wires to make sure they are not contactingthe steering rack boot or any parts of the vehicle.22. Clear the DTCs with the HDS, and test-drive thevehicle. Check that the DTCs and/or the idlefluctuation does not return. If the idle fluctuation and/or the DTCs return, goto REPAIR PROCEDURE B. If the idle fluctuation and/or the DTCs are gone,return the vehicle to the customer.Insert the wiresinto the corrugatedtube, and wrap thetube with electricaltape.REPAIR PROCEDURE B1. Replace the IAC valve: Odyssey: Refer to page 11-245 of the1999–2004 Odyssey Service Manual.Pilot: Refer to page 11-150 of the 2003–2004Pilot Service Manual, or Online, enter keyword THROTTLE, and selectThrottle Body Disassembly/Reassembly fromthe list.2. Go into the HDS MODE MENU, and reset thePCM.3. Do the idle learn procedure: Make sure all the electrical accessories are off,then start the engine and let it run until it reachesnormal operating temperature (the cooling fancycles twice). Let the engine idle for 10 minutes with no load.4. Confirm that the MAP sensor is working bychecking the DATA LIST on the HDS.Is the MAP sensor reading less than 1.1 V?Yes - Return the vehicle to the customer.No - Continue with normal troubleshooting.4 of 404-007

authorized Honda automobile dealer. August 20, 2008 04-007 Applies To: 2001–02 Odyssey – ALL 2003 Odyssey – From VIN 5FNRL1.3B000001 thru 5FNRL1.3B159953 2003 Odyssey – From VIN 2HKRL1.3H500001 thru 2HKRL1.3H514354 2003 Pilot – From VIN 2HKYF1.3H500001 thru 2HKYF1.3H520648 Idle Fluctuation and/or the MIL Is On With DTC .

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