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10/23/2016The Cost of Discipleship Miscellaneous Questions23 Oct, 2016Andy LewisCourtesy of www.BibleStudyMen.comHard Questions of the BibleA Closer Look1

10/23/2016The Cost of DiscipleshipMultiple Parables on same topic . Family vs GodBuilding a TowerKing Going to WarSaltThe Cost of DiscipleshipLuke 14:25-3525 Large crowds were traveling with Jesus,and turning to them he said: 26 “If anyonecomes to me and does not hate father andmother, wife and children, brothers andsisters—yes, even their own life—such aperson cannot be my disciple. 27 Andwhoever does not carry their cross andfollow me cannot be my disciple.2

10/23/2016The Cost of Discipleship28 “Supposeone of you wants to build atower. Won’t you first sit down andestimate the cost to see if you haveenough money to complete it? 29 For if youlay the foundation and are not able to finishit, everyone who sees it will ridiculeyou, 30 saying, ‘This person began to buildand wasn’t able to finish.’The Cost of Discipleship31 “Orsuppose a king is about to go to waragainst another king. Won’t he first sitdown and consider whether he is able withten thousand men to oppose the onecoming against him with twentythousand? 32 If he is not able, he will senda delegation while the other is still a longway off and will ask for terms ofpeace. 33 In the same way, those of youwho do not give up everything you havecannot be my disciples.3

10/23/2016The Cost of Discipleship34 “Saltis good, but if it loses its saltiness,how can it be made salty again? 35 It is fitneither for the soil nor for the manure pile;it is thrown out.“Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear.”The Cost of Discipleship What does it mean when Jesus says to “hate”your parents, wife, children, siblings, and evenyour own life? Is Jesus saying to treat family members badlyor with disrespect?4

10/23/2016The Cost of DiscipleshipHate Shocking, jolting Provoking real listening Hating, detesting is not neutral Does not mean ignoring someone Does not imply disinterest Means to actively despise Jesus’ use of the word is intended toshock and to challengeThe Cost of DiscipleshipHyperbole An overstatement in order to make a pointwith maximum impact Jesus states something in a striking,unforgettable way A way that challenges us and forces us to think5

10/23/2016The Cost of DiscipleshipHate our closest family members? contrasting our allegiance to Jesus in thestrongest possible way No earthly tie, however close, must takeprecedence over our allegiance to andobedience of Jesus He is Number One—by far! No person even comes close!The Cost of DiscipleshipWhat this does NOT mean . No excuse to treat family members shabbilyor with disrespect Responsibilities for our family still remain6

10/23/2016The Cost of DiscipleshipDoes mean that .Following Jesus is to take first priority—even ifit is painful, difficult, and misunderstood Our parent’s wishesdon’t come first Our spouse’s and children’s desiresdon’t come firstThe Cost of DiscipleshipDoes mean that . Jesus’ direction comes first Reference to OT and NTFirst Commandment – Ex 20:3Have no other GodsGreatest Commandment – Matt 22:37Love God with all your heart,soul and mind.7

10/23/2016The Cost of DiscipleshipWhat does it mean to carry your own cross?Luke 14:2727 And whoever does not carry their cross andfollow me cannot be my disciple.The Cost of DiscipleshipCarrying your cross means that we must . Accept the death of our own self-directed life Die to ourselves daily Be willing to face whatever physical,emotional, or social persecution that ensues Follow Jesus8

10/23/2016The Cost of Discipleship With his audience (the crowd following him),why did Jesus use this illustration?The Cost of Discipleship Jesus spoke of a cross to get the people in thecrowd to think through their enthusiasmfor him He encouraged those that were superficialeither to go deeper or to turn back Not for ‘Nominal’ Christians – in name only –or those following for the entertainment9

10/23/2016The Cost of DiscipleshipBeing a disciple demands full commitment;nothing less will do.In order to illustrate this point Jesus tells aparable in two parts.14:28-30 - Building a Tower14:31-33 - King going to WarThe Cost of Discipleship How do Jesus’ conditions of following himseem to you today?10

10/23/2016The Cost of Discipleship Think about planning a major project .– How can you account for all of the costs?– What happens if you overlook something?– What if the project is not completed?– What will your family, and friends say?– Do you have any uncompleted projects around?The Cost of DiscipleshipWhat consequences result from not countingthe costs before building? Luke 14:28-2928 “Suppose one of you wants to build atower. Won’t you first sit down andestimate the cost to see if you haveenough money to complete it? 29 For if youlay the foundation and are not able to finishit, everyone who sees it will ridicule you.11

10/23/2016The Cost of DiscipleshipHow does this building illustration apply todiscipleship (i.e., following Jesus)?The Cost of DiscipleshipDiscipleship demands the utmostseriousness and commitment.Be very, very aware of what happens when youfollow Jesus as his disciple.Truth in Advertising12

10/23/2016The Cost of DiscipleshipIs there a difference between .Following and Being a DiscipleAndBeing ‘Saved’?Who makes which choice?The Cost of DiscipleshipContext .Who is Jesus Talking to Saved or Unsaved? The parable is applied to anyone who"comes to" Jesus (v. 26), which denotesthose who believe in Him Only through the Holy Spiritcan we search for God13

10/23/2016The Cost of DiscipleshipGod offers salvation to people as sinnersapart from their love and loyalty to ChristRom 5:6-86 You see, at just the right time, when we werestill powerless, Christ died for theungodly. 7 Very rarely will anyone die for arighteous person, though for a good personsomeone might possibly dare to die. 8 But Goddemonstrates his own love for us in this: Whilewe were still sinners, Christ died for us.The Cost of DiscipleshipJustificationEphesians 2:8 (NIV)8 Forit is by grace you have beensaved, through faith—and this is not fromyourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not byworks, so that no one can boast.14

10/23/2016The Cost of DiscipleshipSanctificationPhilippians 2:12-1312 Therefore,my dear friends, as you havealways obeyed—not only in my presence, butnow much more in my absence—continue towork out your salvation with fear andtrembling, 13 for it is God who works in you towill and to act in order to fulfill his goodpurpose.The Cost of DiscipleshipWorking out our Salvation – Greek verb rendered “work out” means"to continually work to bring something tocompletion or fruition."We do this by actively pursuing obedience in theprocess of sanctificationEyes wide openWorth the costBeing the Disciple15

10/23/2016The Cost of DiscipleshipDiscipleship demands the utmostseriousness and commitmentSuch a devoted love for Godover blood relationshipswould be an extraordinary demandfor sinners who have had noexperience of Christ’sredeeming loveThe Cost of Discipleship This is a choice we make to continueimproving our relationship with Jesus A choice to continue our Sanctification16

10/23/2016The Cost of DiscipleshipBib ChristiansApron ChristiansThe Cost of DiscipleshipIf a king didn’t have sufficient manpower to go towar, what was his best course of action?Luke 14:31-3231 “Or suppose a king is about to go to waragainst another king. Won’t he first sit downand consider whether he is able with tenthousand men to oppose the one comingagainst him with twenty thousand? 32 If he isnot able, he will send a delegation while theother is still a long way off and will ask forterms of peace.17

10/23/2016The Cost of DiscipleshipHow do you interpret this second illustration(King preparing for battle) with respect tofollowing Jesus?The Cost of DiscipleshipConsider ahead of time whether or not you arewilling to become his follower. It will takeeverything you have and more. Discipleship will figure in every future decisionof your life. The will of God will be first in your priorityfrom now on.18

10/23/2016The Cost of Discipleship Figure out your resources and what you arewilling to commit ahead of time. If you don’t have it, don't commit your forces.Without enough strength they’ll be chewedup, destroyed. Halfway measures are not adequate. Christ asks for all or nothing.The Cost of DiscipleshipDon’t move toward a battle in a way you willsurely lose.Should we then give up?Don’t rely on your own strengthChrist gives resources needed19

10/23/2016The Cost of Discipleship Jesus presented the costs of discipleship indifferent ways at different times.Luke 5:11Luke 5:27-28Mark 10:21-22The Cost of Discipleship Luke 5:11 - And as soon as they landed, theyleft everything and followed Jesus. (NLT) Luke 5:27-28 - After this, Jesus went out andsaw a tax collector by the name of Levi sittingat his tax booth. “Follow me,” Jesus said tohim, and Levi got up, left everything andfollowed him.20

10/23/2016The Cost of Discipleship Mark 10:21-22 - 21Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thingyou lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything youhave and give to the poor, and you will havetreasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”At this the man's face fell. He went away sad,because he had great wealth.The Cost of Discipleship Jesus presented the costs of discipleship indifferent ways at different times.Luke 5:11Luke 5:27-28Mark 10:21-22 How did people respond?21

10/23/2016The Cost of Discipleship Personalized .For which of you desiring to build aMinistry in Newport News, does not first sitdown and count the cost, whether he hasenough to complete it? Otherwise, whenhe has laid a foundation and is not able tofinish, all who see it begin to mockhim, saying, ‘This congregation began tobuild and was not able to finish.’The Cost of DiscipleshipOr what Congregation, about to go to war,in a great spiritual battle, will not sit downfirst and deliberate how many it will take tomake an army to battle the old evil foe inthis place. It would be foolish then to notcount the cost before embarking on God’smission in Newport News, VA.22

10/23/2016The Cost of DiscipleshipSo to all of the saints gathered here atResurrection this morning, I ask you today,“So you want to be a disciple?” Well thenlet us first count the cost to see if we canfinish the job.The Cost of Discipleship What costs do we need to count in respondingto Jesus? What costs of following Jesus seem especiallyhigh to you? What holds you back?23

10/23/2016The Cost of Discipleship What does Jesus short illustration about saltmean? Luke 14:34-3534 “Saltis good, but if it loses its saltiness,how can it be made salty again? 35 It is fitneither for the soil nor for the manure pile;it is thrown out.“Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear.”The Cost of DiscipleshipIn Jesus day, salt was an essential of life.It was used for both flavoring andpreservation.24

10/23/2016The Cost of DiscipleshipSalt was obtained from evaporation from theDead Sea, but it was far from pure. It wasoften mixed with greater or lesserconcentrations of other minerals.The Cost of DiscipleshipIt is possible for all the sodium chloride to beleached out of a mixture of salts so all thatis left is stale and uselessIt is possible for what appears to be salt to haveall its true salt washed out of itEven though the appearance remains,the essence is lost25

10/23/2016The Cost of DiscipleshipIf you were on trial for being a Christian, wouldthere be enough evidence to convict you?The Cost of DiscipleshipIf we have so conformed our ways and words tothe world around us that others can’t see Christin us—that they are surprised to find out thatwe are Christians—then maybe we aren’t very salty at all26

10/23/2016The Cost of DiscipleshipIn summary .Jesus looks at the large crowd traveling withhim today, and says:* Your allegiance to me must be complete;every other allegiance must pale before it.* You must be constantly ready to die for me,if necessary, as you follow me.The Cost of Discipleship* You must count the cost before you start todetermine what it takes to follow me.* You must give up everything you have tofollow me.* You must retain the distinctive flavor ofuncompromised disciples.27

10/23/2016The Cost of DiscipleshipSingle Word SummaryCOMMITAthanasian Creed and Works28

10/23/2016Athanasian Creed and Works“At whose coming all men shall rise again withtheir bodies, and shall give account for theirown works. And they that have done good shallgo into life everlasting, and they that have doneevil into everlasting fire.”Athanasian Creed and WorksPrimary Purpose of Creed –Explain the TrinityNot Salvation in depth29

10/23/2016Athanasian Creed and WorksMatthew 25 The Sheep and the Goats31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and allthe angels with him, he will sit on his throne inheavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gatheredbefore him, and he will separate the people onefrom another as a shepherd separates the sheep fromthe goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and thegoats on his left. 34"Then the King will say to thoseon his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by myFather; take your inheritance, the kingdom preparedfor you since the creation of the world.Athanasian Creed and Works35ForI was hungry and you gave me something toeat, I was thirsty and you gave me something todrink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36Ineeded clothes and you clothed me, I was sick andyou looked after me, I was in prison and you came tovisit me.'30

10/23/2016Athanasian Creed and Works37"Thenthe righteous will answer him, 'Lord, whendid we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty andgive you something to drink? 38When did we see youa stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes andclothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prisonand go to visit you?'40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whateveryou did for one of the least of these brothers of mine,you did for me.’Athanasian Creed and Works41"Thenhe will say to those on his left, 'Depart fromme, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire preparedfor the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry andyou gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and yougave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and youdid not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did notclothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did notlook after me.'31

10/23/2016Athanasian Creed and Works44"Theyalso will answer, 'Lord, when did we see youhungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes orsick or in prison, and did not help you?'45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever youdid not do for one of the least of these, you did notdo for me.' 46"Then they will go away to eternalpunishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”Athanasian Creed and Works What makes our works acceptable to God?32

10/23/2016Athanasian Creed and WorksHebrews 11 - By Faith1Now faith is being sure of what we hope forand certain of what we do not see. 2This is whatthe ancients were commended for. 3By faith weunderstand that the universe was formed atGod's command, so that what is seen was notmade out of what was visible.Athanasian Creed and Works4Byfaith Abel offered God a better sacrifice thanCain did.By faith he was commended as a righteousman, when God spoke well of his offerings.And by faith he still speaks, even though he isdead.33

10/23/2016Athanasian Creed and Works5Byfaith Enoch was taken from this life, so thathe did not experience death; he could not befound, because God had taken him away. Forbefore he was taken, he was commended as onewho pleased God. 6And without faith it isimpossible to please God, because anyone whocomes to him must believe that he exists andthat he rewards those who earnestly seek him.Athanasian Creed and WorksJohn 15 5"I am the vine; you are the branches. Ifa man remains in me and I in him, he will bearmuch fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.34

10/23/2016Athanasian Creed and WorksEphesians 28For it is by grace you have been saved,through faith—and this not from yourselves, itis the gift of God— 9not by works, so that noone can boast. 10For we are God's workmanship,created in Christ Jesus to do good works, whichGod prepared in advance for us to do.Athanasian Creed and Works 2 Corinthians 514For Christ's love compels us, because we areconvinced that one died for all, and therefore alldied. 15And he died for all, that those who liveshould no longer live for themselves but for himwho died for them and was raised again. 16Sofrom now on we regard no one from a worldlypoint of view. Though we once regarded Christin this way, we do so no longer.35

10/23/2016Athanasian Creed and Works 2 Corinthians 517Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a newcreation; the old has gone, the new hascome! 18All this is from God, who reconciled usto himself through Christ and gave us theministry of reconciliation:19that God wasreconciling the world to himself in Christ, notcounting men's sins against them. And he hascommitted to us the message of reconciliation.Athanasian Creed and Works 2 Corinthians 520We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, asthough God were making his appeal through us.We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciledto God. 21God made him who had no sin to besin for us, so that in him we might become therighteousness of God.36

10/23/2016Athanasian Creed and Works Who suffered for our salvation, descendedinto hell, rose again the third day from thedead, ascended into heaven, and is seated atthe right hand of the Father, God Almighty,from whence He will come to judge the livingand the dead. At His coming all people will riseagain with their bodies and give an accountconcerning their own deeds. And those whohave done good will enter into eternal life,and those who have done evil into eternal fireAthanasian Creed and WorksAnd they that have done good shall go into lifeeverlasting, and they that have done evil intoeverlasting fire.True Statement but. Judged by our works ---- all should be condemned Saved by God’s Grace --- through Faith37

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The Cost of Discipleship Multiple Parables on same topic . Family vs God Building a Tower King Going to War Salt The Cost of Discipleship Luke 14:25-35 25 Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said: 26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and

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